by Dragonfly » 08 May 2023 Read
Perhaps this has been mentioned before, but I have just realised that John Higgins triple crown record is actually not that great.
OK, 4 World titles is good, and he did lose another 4. But 2 Masters titles isn't great, and really for a player of his standard, and who has been around for ages 3 UK titles isn't brilliant either.
I know he's had a very tough era, but this is a player some people rate as the 2nd best of all time.
Of course he may still add to his titles, but it's becoming extremely difficult. Will he look back one day and wonder should he have done more?
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by SnookerFan » 08 May 2023 Read
He's never played well at The Masters.
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by TheRocket » 08 May 2023 Read
yes should have won more with his ability and his TC record should be around 12-15 but for some reason he simply hasnt won anything after 2011 which is one of the weird stats in Snooker.
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by Juddernaut88 » 08 May 2023 Read
Not every player can be expected to be like Ronnie, Hendry and Davis and win the amount of triple crown titles they managed. Higgins stats for me are fine and how they should be. I remember around 2005 I didn't think he would ever win a 2nd world title.
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by Iranu » 08 May 2023 Read
Juddernaut88 wrote:Not every player can be expected to be like Ronnie, Hendry and Davis and win the amount of triple crown titles they managed. Higgins stats for me are fine and how they should be. I remember around 2005 I didn't think he would ever win a 2nd world title.
I think what’s interesting is the last decade. If his victories had been more spread out we might not be discussing it. But a period of relative dominance followed by 10+ years of nothing is what makes the statistic more remarkable.
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by KrazeeEyezKilla » 08 May 2023 Read
Mark Williams had won six when he completed the Triple Crown 20 years ago at 28 and he's only won one since then.
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by SnookerFan » 09 May 2023 Read
Only three Triple Crown events a year, and several players that are good enough to win them each time, I guess.
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by TheRocket » 09 May 2023 Read
SnookerFan wrote:Only three Triple Crown events a year, and several players that are good enough to win them each time, I guess.
Yes but hes been a pro for 30 years. I don't think that 9 TC wins are like bad , of course not, but given how good Higgins is you would have expected him to be a little bit closer to Ronnie and Hendry.
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by Dragonfly » 09 May 2023 Read
TheRocket wrote:SnookerFan wrote:Only three Triple Crown events a year, and several players that are good enough to win them each time, I guess.
Yes but hes been a pro for 30 years. I don't think that 9 TC wins are like bad , of course not, but given how good Higgins is you would have expected him to be a little bit closer to Ronnie and Hendry.
That's exactly what I was thinking
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by McManusFan » 09 May 2023 Read
He probably could have won a few more. One or two of those world finals could maybe have gone the other way. It's funny how his Masters record isn't great. For whatever reason, the masters tends to go well for the flashier players, or so it seems anyway.
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by SnookerFan » 09 May 2023 Read
TheRocket wrote:SnookerFan wrote:Only three Triple Crown events a year, and several players that are good enough to win them each time, I guess.
Yes but hes been a pro for 30 years. I don't think that 9 TC wins are like bad , of course not, but given how good Higgins is you would have expected him to be a little bit closer to Ronnie and Hendry.
I suppose when you put it like that. 3 TCs a year, for 30 years, would've given him 90 chances to win them.
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by Johnny Bravo » 09 May 2023 Read
McManusFan wrote:He probably could have won a few more. One or two of those world finals could maybe have gone the other way. It's funny how his Masters record isn't great. For whatever reason, the masters tends to go well for the flashier players, or so it seems anyway.
He was 10-4 in front against Selby. He definitely should have won that one.
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by Dan-cat » 09 May 2023 Read
The way Ronnie bangs on about Higgins being the best ever doesn't really add up with these stats?
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by McManusFan » 09 May 2023 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:McManusFan wrote:He probably could have won a few more. One or two of those world finals could maybe have gone the other way. It's funny how his Masters record isn't great. For whatever reason, the masters tends to go well for the flashier players, or so it seems anyway.
He was 10-4 in front against Selby. He definitely should have won that one.
That was his best chance, although the Willo one could have gone closer.
That's the beauty of longer matches though, big leads can be overturned. We saw that this year with Luca against Ronnie and Si.
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by SnookerFan » 09 May 2023 Read
Dan-cat wrote:The way Ronnie bangs on about Higgins being the best ever doesn't really add up with these stats?
Ronnie said something ill conceived?
That's not like him.
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by LC » 09 May 2023 Read
I remember Steve Davis said saying he had the chance to be the best ever in 2011 and I did think it was a strong possibility at the time but hasn’t won a major since and will be ranked behind selby in the all time list now
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by Dan-cat » 09 May 2023 Read
LC wrote:I remember Steve Davis said saying he had the chance to be the best ever in 2011 and I did think it was a strong possibility at the time but hasn’t won a major since and will be ranked behind selby in the all time list now
It was worse than that he said ´he is now the best ever.' when he won against Trumpy after being banned etc
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by SnookerFan » 09 May 2023 Read
LC wrote:I remember Steve Davis said saying he had the chance to be the best ever in 2011 and I did think it was a strong possibility at the time but hasn’t won a major since and will be ranked behind selby in the all time list now
I never paid too much attention when Steve said that. Commentators are prone to hyperbole.
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by D4P » 09 May 2023 Read
On one hand, being tied for 4th on the Triple Crown list (behind Ronnie, Hendry, and Davis) seems reasonable for Higgins; on the other hand, being 12 titles behind Ronnie is a much larger gap than would have been expected 20-30 years ago...
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by TheRocket » 09 May 2023 Read
D4P wrote:On one hand, being tied for 4th on the Triple Crown list (behind Ronnie, Hendry, and Davis) seems reasonable for Higgins; on the other hand, being 12 titles behind Ronnie is a much larger gap than would have been expected 20-30 years ago...
No doubt. There used to be a big debate whether Ronnie or Higgins was the greater player. Their career stats were very similar for the first 20 years of their careers. When Higgins then won his fourth World title in 2011 he was even ahead of his main rival. But now Ronnie is miles ahead. So yeah the big gap now is definitely unexpected.
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by Dan-cat » 09 May 2023 Read
TheRocket wrote:D4P wrote:On one hand, being tied for 4th on the Triple Crown list (behind Ronnie, Hendry, and Davis) seems reasonable for Higgins; on the other hand, being 12 titles behind Ronnie is a much larger gap than would have been expected 20-30 years ago...
No doubt. There used to be a big debate whether Ronnie or Higgins was the greater player. Their career stats were very similar for the first 20 years of their careers. When Higgins then won his fourth World title in 2011 he was even ahead of his main rival. But now Ronnie is miles ahead. So yeah the big gap now is definitely unexpected.
And for one reason alone.
DSP.
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by D4P » 09 May 2023 Read
Dan-cat wrote:TheRocket wrote:D4P wrote:On one hand, being tied for 4th on the Triple Crown list (behind Ronnie, Hendry, and Davis) seems reasonable for Higgins; on the other hand, being 12 titles behind Ronnie is a much larger gap than would have been expected 20-30 years ago...
No doubt. There used to be a big debate whether Ronnie or Higgins was the greater player. Their career stats were very similar for the first 20 years of their careers. When Higgins then won his fourth World title in 2011 he was even ahead of his main rival. But now Ronnie is miles ahead. So yeah the big gap now is definitely unexpected.
And for one reason alone.
DSP.
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by LC » 09 May 2023 Read
Dan-cat wrote:LC wrote:I remember Steve Davis said saying he had the chance to be the best ever in 2011 and I did think it was a strong possibility at the time but hasn’t won a major since and will be ranked behind selby in the all time list now
It was worse than that he said ´he is now the best ever.' when he won against Trumpy after being banned etc
Think he said the same when ROS won the next year it was him or Parrott
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by KrazeeEyezKilla » 09 May 2023 Read
The other two TC winners in 2011 were Ding and Trump and neither of them won another until 2019. You had a period from 2012-17 when O'Sullivan, Selby and to a lesser extent Robertson won nearly all of them but since 2018 it's been much more open.
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