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How many will Selby end up with?

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Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby HappyCamper

LDS wrote:
Truth wrote:I voted 8+ just to annoy lots of people.

Also, I'd love to hear all the reasoning for why Selby wouldn't be the GOAT. I'd expect:

Weak era.
Mind games.
Pockets larger than buckets.
All TCs are equal (ROS/Hendry still lead there).


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A goat that smug looking has to be Murphy.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby LDS

Truth wrote:I voted 8+ just to annoy lots of people.

Also, I'd love to hear all the reasoning for why Selby wouldn't be the GOAT. I'd expect:

Weak era.
Mind games.
Pockets larger than buckets.
All TCs are equal (ROS/Hendry still lead there).


In all seriousness though, Selby's win this year moved him above Mark Williams, Jimmy White and Ray Reardon in my mathematically ranked list of all-time World Snooker Championship Legends.

Prior to this World Championship there was quite a bunch sitting around the 200 points mark:

Ray Reardon 215.5 points
Jimmy White 212.75 points
Mark William 195 points
Mark Selby 179 points

The next lowest would be John Pulman, quite a way back on 154.25 points, and quite a bit further back is the nearest still currently playing player Shaun Murphy on 122 points.

Selby's win adds 37 points to his historical legacy, just squeezing past Reardon by half a point @ 216 points.

However, he's still got a long way to go before he reaches the next on the list, Fred Davis on 274.875 points & that will take more than just one more win, but he could also do it just with lots of runner-ups and semis and etc.

So he's currently 7th on the all-time World Snooker Championship Legends. Which is pretty good going all things considered and, as you say, some time left in the career yet.

As you can see, if Murphy had won, it still wouldn't have been enough to take him into the top 10.

For Selby to challenge the top 4 he'd have to get at least 100+ more points from his WSC career, which is 3 wins or 1 or 2 wins and lots of runner-ups. Which is possible.

But don't forget, 2 out of those top 4 are still playing and competing for titles themselves, so who knows how many more he'll need come 4 or 5 years time.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Pink Ball

Granite wrote:People thought 2013 was Ronnie's last world title but he won it last year at the age of 44. Selby's 7-8 years younger and a better player at the Crucible over the distance. His game is suited for the Crucible.

He's going to have many, many more ahead of him I feel.

Only threat is Trump but he's inconsistent and doesn't focus on the big events as Selby does. Robertson will never win another world title, doesn't have the focus to do so.

I can't see who can stop Selby and even then...good luck. Selby's a master at the Worlds.

Even since Selby became a Crucible winner, he has lost to O'Sullivan but has also lost matches to Anthony McGill, Joe Perry and Gary Wilson. I'm not saying those three aren't good players, they are good, but they're hardly Steve Davis either. You don't need to be the Jesus Christ of cuesports to beat Selby.

I think Selby fans are getting a little overexcited. Enjoy the win, why you need to think about seven or eight world titles is beyond me. There was a lot of this talk when John Higgins won his fourth in 2011, his third in five years. He was the best player of his era and a major threat to Hendry's record, we heard. I actually half believed he could win six or seven.

He hasn't won the title since.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Juddernaut88

Pink Ball wrote:
Granite wrote:People thought 2013 was Ronnie's last world title but he won it last year at the age of 44. Selby's 7-8 years younger and a better player at the Crucible over the distance. His game is suited for the Crucible.

He's going to have many, many more ahead of him I feel.

Only threat is Trump but he's inconsistent and doesn't focus on the big events as Selby does. Robertson will never win another world title, doesn't have the focus to do so.

I can't see who can stop Selby and even then...good luck. Selby's a master at the Worlds.

Even since Selby became a Crucible winner, he has lost to O'Sullivan but has also lost matches to Anthony McGill, Joe Perry and Gary Wilson. I'm not saying those three aren't good players, they are good, but they're hardly Steve Davis either. You don't need to be the Jesus Christ of cuesports to beat Selby.

I think Selby fans are getting a little overexcited. Enjoy the win, why you need to think about seven or eight world titles is beyond me. There was a lot of this talk when John Higgins won his fourth in 2011, his third in five years. He was the best player of his era and a major threat to Hendry's record, we heard. I actually half believed he could win six or seven.

He hasn't won the title since.


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Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby mick745

Pink Ball wrote:
Granite wrote:People thought 2013 was Ronnie's last world title but he won it last year at the age of 44. Selby's 7-8 years younger and a better player at the Crucible over the distance. His game is suited for the Crucible.

He's going to have many, many more ahead of him I feel.

Only threat is Trump but he's inconsistent and doesn't focus on the big events as Selby does. Robertson will never win another world title, doesn't have the focus to do so.

I can't see who can stop Selby and even then...good luck. Selby's a master at the Worlds.

Even since Selby became a Crucible winner, he has lost to O'Sullivan but has also lost matches to Anthony McGill, Joe Perry and Gary Wilson. I'm not saying those three aren't good players, they are good, but they're hardly Steve Davis either. You don't need to be the Jesus Christ of cuesports to beat Selby.

I think Selby fans are getting a little overexcited. Enjoy the win, why you need to think about seven or eight world titles is beyond me. There was a lot of this talk when John Higgins won his fourth in 2011, his third in five years. He was the best player of his era and a major threat to Hendry's record, we heard. I actually half believed he could win six or seven.

He hasn't won the title since.


Yes precisely, a new level of dominance by a certain player is just around every corner.

There is no doubt that Selby is a fantastic player, and a bit of a crucible specialist at that.

But he is not so far ahead of everybody else that he'd be odds on, or even favourite going into the wsc.

Davis and then Hendry were expected to carry the trophy off every year, it is different now.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby HappyCamper

The question is how many can he win then the correct answer is 8+. Doesn't mean it's particularity likely. But it is possible.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Granite

Iranu wrote:Ronnie had 5 world titles at 37 whereas Selby has 4 so I’m not sure how Selby is the better Crucible player!

Ronnie fans have fallen into the trap of getting cocky about Ronnie at the Worlds after 2013 - you should learn from our example. Selby’s an incredible player but he’s won one world title in four years, and the Worlds always pulls up surprises both in who does and doesn’t win.


Yeah but Selby peaked later, he started to win WCs in his 30s and has won 4 of the last 8 WCs while Ronnie peaked in his 20s and started winning earlier so by that Selby has a bigger window to win more WCs.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Granite

Pink Ball wrote:
Granite wrote:People thought 2013 was Ronnie's last world title but he won it last year at the age of 44. Selby's 7-8 years younger and a better player at the Crucible over the distance. His game is suited for the Crucible.

He's going to have many, many more ahead of him I feel.

Only threat is Trump but he's inconsistent and doesn't focus on the big events as Selby does. Robertson will never win another world title, doesn't have the focus to do so.

I can't see who can stop Selby and even then...good luck. Selby's a master at the Worlds.

Even since Selby became a Crucible winner, he has lost to O'Sullivan but has also lost matches to Anthony McGill, Joe Perry and Gary Wilson. I'm not saying those three aren't good players, they are good, but they're hardly Steve Davis either. You don't need to be the Jesus Christ of cuesports to beat Selby.

I think Selby fans are getting a little overexcited. Enjoy the win, why you need to think about seven or eight world titles is beyond me. There was a lot of this talk when John Higgins won his fourth in 2011, his third in five years. He was the best player of his era and a major threat to Hendry's record, we heard. I actually half believed he could win six or seven.

He hasn't won the title since.


Same way there was talking about Ronnie or Higgins passing Hendry's world titles when they were on 4.

Selby has every chance imo he's back to being confident and we know what happened in 2014 when he won it the first time, he won 3/4. This seems like a second resurgence. He can go on a roll again and win the next 3/4 too he's that type of player at the Crucible.

He's the best Crucible player in history. Selby's already the GOAT but just needs to cement it properly.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby KrazeeEyezKilla

The big test is what happens at the one table stage. After Higgins won in 2011 he didn't get back to the semi's for six years but then got there three years running. He failed to convert any of it into a fifth World title. Selby should get to that stage maybe 2 to 4 more times but it's hard to know how he will do there.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby The_Abbott

People didn't think 2013 would be Ronnie's last WC. In fact most people are surprised it took him 7 years to get his sixth title. It was only a matter of time.

I think Selby can get to 6 but no more than that. He will have new challengers from China in teh future and Judd won't want to be a 1 WC wonder. Robertson has the game but seems to get cold feet in the quarters.

I think Selby has to win his 5th in the ext three years to get to 6.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby TheRocket

KrazeeEyezKilla wrote:The big test is what happens at the one table stage. After Higgins won in 2011 he didn't get back to the semi's for six years but then got there three years running. He failed to convert any of it into a fifth World title. Selby should get to that stage maybe 2 to 4 more times but it's hard to know how he will do there.


By the looks of things a lot of opponents can beat Selby over 2 or 3 sessions but in 4 sessions it becomes a very difficult task. The matches are always close but far more often than not he just ends up winning. Its like daily routine for him to win 17:15, 18:15 or something like that.

I have to say atm its only Trump for me who has a better winning chance than 50% to beat Selby over 4 sessions. Robertson just failed time after time again at the Crucible and I'm not sure if he will ever even get to the one table stage. And O'Sullivan and Higgins are not getting any younger.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby OoNebsoO

LDS wrote:
Truth wrote:I voted 8+ just to annoy lots of people.

Also, I'd love to hear all the reasoning for why Selby wouldn't be the GOAT. I'd expect:

Weak era.
Mind games.
Pockets larger than buckets.
All TCs are equal (ROS/Hendry still lead there).


In all seriousness though, Selby's win this year moved him above Mark Williams, Jimmy White and Ray Reardon in my mathematically ranked list of all-time World Snooker Championship Legends.

Prior to this World Championship there was quite a bunch sitting around the 200 points mark:

Ray Reardon 215.5 points
Jimmy White 212.75 points
Mark William 195 points
Mark Selby 179 points

The next lowest would be John Pulman, quite a way back on 154.25 points, and quite a bit further back is the nearest still currently playing player Shaun Murphy on 122 points.

Selby's win adds 37 points to his historical legacy, just squeezing past Reardon by half a point @ 216 points.

However, he's still got a long way to go before he reaches the next on the list, Fred Davis on 274.875 points & that will take more than just one more win, but he could also do it just with lots of runner-ups and semis and etc.

So he's currently 7th on the all-time World Snooker Championship Legends. Which is pretty good going all things considered and, as you say, some time left in the career yet.

As you can see, if Murphy had won, it still wouldn't have been enough to take him into the top 10.

For Selby to challenge the top 4 he'd have to get at least 100+ more points from his WSC career, which is 3 wins or 1 or 2 wins and lots of runner-ups. Which is possible.

But don't forget, 2 out of those top 4 are still playing and competing for titles themselves, so who knows how many more he'll need come 4 or 5 years time.


Could you please post the complete list? Or top 20-30...50? What's the formula?

Thanks!

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby LDS

OoNebsoO wrote:Could you please post the complete list? Or top 20-30...50? What's the formula?

Thanks!


The list is the full 269 players:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wjFEZiyu1A

I'm afraid there isn't a simple list format as all the data is in a spreadsheet & I'm way too lazy to write them all out manually in Word format.

The aim of the project was purely audio-visual, combining nostalgia with historical archiving and to provide a visual representation of how career stats impacts your legendary legacy.

In trying to capture the essence of the World Championship I was foiled by copywrite preventing me from always using the most ideal clip or photo, but it's a best-possible.

Feel free to fast-forward, skip or whatever. I'm planning to update it every 3 years, to allow everyone a good opportunity to move around the charts, but if it hasn't been updated after 5 years just assume I'm dead & feel free to steal the video and continue the work.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby LDS

Yes, the music is very prone to copywrite, hence I've used generic free music. It does change throughout though and I tried my best to make the music fit the clip. If you've completely muted all the sound for your preferred soundtrack then you'll be missing the commentators, crowd and referee, potting sounds, all of which add something, but it's not crucial I suppose.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Wildey

Iranu wrote:
Truth wrote:I voted 8+ just to annoy lots of people.

Also, I'd love to hear all the reasoning for why Selby wouldn't be the GOAT. I'd expect:

Weak era.
Mind games.
Pockets larger than buckets.
All TCs are equal (ROS/Hendry still lead there).

You missed the biggest one, though you alluded to it:

Not enough titles.

yea hes not won enough to be called the Goat but neither had O'Sullivan.


in 2007 when i first came on line there were people claiming Ronnie the Goat at that time Ronnie had 19 ranking titles only 2 World Championships and 9 so called triple crown events.

So these Wild Claims is really nothing new i do think Mark Selby has now overtaken both Steve Davis and Mark Williams in to 4th place but Still behind Ronnie O'Sullivan, Stephen Hendry and John Higgins but Selby style of play can see him Still winning for the next 15 years so who knows how many World Titles he will Win.

In tennis way past his best Pete Sampras kept on winning at Wimbledon because the event was made for him and the same can be said of The World Championship and Selby

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby TheRocket

Wildey wrote:yea hes not won enough to be called the Goat but neither had O'Sullivan.


in 2007 when i first came on line there were people claiming Ronnie the Goat at that time Ronnie had 19 ranking titles only 2 World Championships and 9 so called triple crown events.

So these Wild Claims is really nothing new i do think Mark Selby has now overtaken both Steve Davis and Mark Williams in to 4th place but Still behind Ronnie O'Sullivan, Stephen Hendry and John Higgins Selby style of play can see him Still winning for the next 15 years so who knows how many World Titles he will Win

In tennis way past his best Pete Sampras kept on winning at Wimbledon because the event was made for him and the same can be said of The World Championship and Selby


Selby aint gonna be competing to this level in his late 40's or early 50's. Stamina, concentration level and Selby relies more on that than others, all that disappear slowly but surely the older you get and the missed sitters and unforced errors will become too many over the long distance. But Selby probably has a 7-8 year window to win more World titles which is obviously more time than what Ronnie or Higgins have.

And you're wrong about Sampras. Sampras last and seventh Wimbledon title came at the age of 28. He wasnt at his peak but hardly way past his prime.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Andre147

Yep, Sampras could still have competed on the Tour after his last US Open title in 2002, but chose not to and go out on a high, even though if he carried on he'd more likely win a few other Slams.

As for Selby, his fans should just enjoy this 4th world title and not make same mistake as others years ago. Higgins, with a playing style similar to his, was nailed on by many to win more titles after his 4th but then it came to a halt and that was that. You just never know when's your last. He might win 1 more I believe.

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby chengdufan

I wouldn't be surprised to see Selby trying to get his place back on tour when he's in his 60s. He'll be one of those our kids will be hoping to avoid drawing in q school.

He can win anything from 4 to 9 World titles, with 5 being most likely.

4 30%
5 50%
6 15%
7 4%
8 0.8%
9 0.2%

Re: How many world titles can Selby win?

Postby Wildey

TheRocket wrote:
Wildey wrote:yea hes not won enough to be called the Goat but neither had O'Sullivan.


in 2007 when i first came on line there were people claiming Ronnie the Goat at that time Ronnie had 19 ranking titles only 2 World Championships and 9 so called triple crown events.

So these Wild Claims is really nothing new i do think Mark Selby has now overtaken both Steve Davis and Mark Williams in to 4th place but Still behind Ronnie O'Sullivan, Stephen Hendry and John Higgins Selby style of play can see him Still winning for the next 15 years so who knows how many World Titles he will Win

In tennis way past his best Pete Sampras kept on winning at Wimbledon because the event was made for him and the same can be said of The World Championship and Selby


Selby aint gonna be competing to this level in his late 40's or early 50's. Stamina, concentration level and Selby relies more on that than others, all that disappear slowly but surely the older you get and the missed sitters and unforced errors will become too many over the long distance. But Selby probably has a 7-8 year window to win more World titles which is obviously more time than what Ronnie or Higgins have.

And you're wrong about Sampras. Sampras last and seventh Wimbledon title came at the age of 28. He wasnt at his peak but hardly way past his prime.


People said he will never win a World Title because of the intensity you highlight there but he proved them Wrong Who knows if he will or he wont fact is dont discount him he has a determination and patience that has no equal he will wait and wait and wait.


   

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