Brave or stupid?
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Pink Ball - Posts: 21824
- Joined: 07 April 2015
- Location: Galway city, Ireland
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Cloud Strife wrote:I quite like it myself. Gives the event a much needed Irish vibe despite it being staged in Milton Keynes.
Pink Ball wrote:Cloud Strife wrote:I quite like it myself. Gives the event a much needed Irish vibe despite it being staged in Milton Keynes.
I agree, but more than half of the people from 'Northern Ireland' don't consider themselves to be Irish. The shamrock logo is fine, the shamrock is an agreed symbol, the tricolour isn't.
Cloud Strife wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Cloud Strife wrote:I quite like it myself. Gives the event a much needed Irish vibe despite it being staged in Milton Keynes.
I agree, but more than half of the people from 'Northern Ireland' don't consider themselves to be Irish. The shamrock logo is fine, the shamrock is an agreed symbol, the tricolour isn't.
Couldn't give a toss, quite frankly.
If I had my way, the north would be forcibly reunited with the south.
Pink Ball wrote:Cloud Strife wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Cloud Strife wrote:I quite like it myself. Gives the event a much needed Irish vibe despite it being staged in Milton Keynes.
I agree, but more than half of the people from 'Northern Ireland' don't consider themselves to be Irish. The shamrock logo is fine, the shamrock is an agreed symbol, the tricolour isn't.
Couldn't give a toss, quite frankly.
If I had my way, the north would be forcibly reunited with the south.
Neither do I, but the sad reality is that they do care and it's 'their' tournament. Anything Northern Ireland is a minefield.
HappyCamper wrote:Nationalists are just as much part of Northern Ireland as unionists. And the tricolour is meant to be a unifying symbol anyways. The orange represents Protestantism, no.
HappyCamper wrote:They used to have United Ireland teams at the world cup. Did anyone in snooker care back then. All seems a bit petty.
LDS wrote:When I read the OP of this thread I assumed this... 'issue'?.. was something Pink had just invented due to a lack of other things to stir up talk about that don't involve Yan Bingtao, but people are talking about it with him as if people, as in more than one, are actually making an issue out of this.
Is there a link to some actual debate here or is Pink trying to invent stir up create a debate?
Eidt: and am I being brave or stupid for asking??????
chengdufan wrote:Why can't we all just get along?
LDS wrote:As in, you've phrased your supposition as "people WILL be offended", you haven't phrased it as "do YOU think people will be offended" or indeed "I find this offensive".
In an age where we're all supposed to be being less presumptive of what other people think or would like, your proposition just comes across as very presumptive.
You know, like, you're making broad generalisations about a specific community. Dare I say there's an element of appropriation in your stance. You are appropriating the pre-conception of a Northern Irish person in order to present your position.
If you are Northern Irish, or indeed Irish, sure then that wouldn't be the case, but then, if you were one of those two, why not start your proposition from a position of "I'm offended" instead of from a position of "surely THEY will be offended".
SnookerEd25 wrote:chengdufan wrote:Why can't we all just get along?
Come now, ChengduFan; this is the 21st Century - we all have to be angry with each other about something or we may as well shut the internet down & go back to reading books
Pink Ball wrote:I am Irish, and I know more than enough to know how unreasonable they are in Northern Ireland. My presumption is well bucking placed.
LDS wrote:Pink Ball wrote:I am Irish, and I know more than enough to know how unreasonable they are in Northern Ireland. My presumption is well bucking placed.
Well, if you don't find the decorations offensive and, as yet, no-one from Northern Ireland has remarked on the topic, and you are not making your proposition from a personal position, but rather a position of insinuation, don't you think that you're, to all intents and purposes, coming across as someone who is going out of your way to attract unreasonable people who, otherwise, wouldn't have batted an eyelid?
You know, deliberately shit-stirring? Verging on the deliberately racist? Incendiary-minded at the very least?
LDS wrote:Pink Ball wrote:I am Irish, and I know more than enough to know how unreasonable they are in Northern Ireland. My presumption is well bucking placed.
Well, if you don't find the decorations offensive and, as yet, no-one from Northern Ireland has remarked on the topic, and you are not making your proposition from a personal position, but rather a position of insinuation, don't you think that you're, to all intents and purposes, coming across as someone who is going out of your way to attract unreasonable people who, otherwise, wouldn't have batted an eyelid?
You know, deliberately shit-stirring? Verging on the deliberately racist? Incendiary-minded at the very least?
chengdufan wrote:LDS wrote:Pink Ball wrote:I am Irish, and I know more than enough to know how unreasonable they are in Northern Ireland. My presumption is well bucking placed.
Well, if you don't find the decorations offensive and, as yet, no-one from Northern Ireland has remarked on the topic, and you are not making your proposition from a personal position, but rather a position of insinuation, don't you think that you're, to all intents and purposes, coming across as someone who is going out of your way to attract unreasonable people who, otherwise, wouldn't have batted an eyelid?
You know, deliberately shit-stirring? Verging on the deliberately racist? Incendiary-minded at the very least?
LDS, I love your posts, they are a breath of fresh air.
I suggest you have a look through Pink Ball's posting history. You will (sorry, may, didn't mean to be presumptive) come to love him.
LDS wrote:Best not to make an issue where there currently isn't one yet then, surely?
Constantly repeating "I think the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland would not necessarily be okay about these decorations", doesn't really help your cause. One could suggest your are simply continuing to dig your hole...
You could well be right. However, now you've raised the issue yourself, no-one will have any idea if the issue only arose because of you.
This might be a backwater forum in your eyes, but that doesn't mean a Northern Irish clickbait journalist wont be viewing it, and, wow, you've just dropped them an idea for a few thousand easy views.
So, no, I don't think the relative size of the venue where you ply your routine is of any great consequence to the potential terrorism-factor of it.
I mean, I didn't start a thread on the potential skinhead sympathising implications of one of Ronnie O'Sullivan's choice of haircuts, even though Essex is renown for it's skinhead problem, just because, well, no-one ever mentioned it.... so it wasn't an issue.
You know what I mean?
Holden Chinaski wrote:Is Peter Ebdon a skinhead?
Pink Ball wrote:...YUP