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Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

I've been looking for the ages of everyone who's finished a season ranked inside the top 128, or is a professional in the coming season, since the first recorded rankings on cuetracker from 1976-77.

I'm missing the ages of 14 such players (out of a total of 555, including those joining the tour this coming season).

If you can help with any of those listed below, I'd be grateful:

Greg Jenkins, Australia, highest finish 93rd in 1986-87.
Lou Condo, Australia, 125th in 1986-87.
Habib Subah, Bahrain, 91st in 2005-06.
Paul Thornley, Canada, 97th in 1985-86.
Tom Finstad, Canada, 115th in 1998-99.
Wayne Sanderson, Canada, 128th in 1986-87.
Gao Yang, China, new to the tour this season.
Carlo Giagnacovo, England, 120th in 2003-04.
Matt Wilson, England, 96th in 1995-96.
Maurice Parkin, England, 91st in 1984-85.
Roger Garrett (who famously vanished before a match with Dave Harold), England, 85th in 1994-95.
Stephen Croft, England, 122nd in 2003-04.
Derek Mienie, South Africa, 95th in 1984-85.
Matthew Farrant, Wales, 124th in 2002-03.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

For Gao Yang, I'm looking for his date of birth.
For the others, any info at all alluding to their age is good enough for me.
Thank you!

Re: Ages of some players

Postby lhpirnie

chengdufan wrote:I've been looking for the ages of everyone who's finished a season ranked inside the top 128, or is a professional in the coming season, since the first recorded rankings on cuetracker from 1976-77.

I'm missing the ages of 14 such players (out of a total of 555, including those joining the tour this coming season).

If you can help with any of those listed below, I'd be grateful:

Greg Jenkins, Australia, highest finish 93rd in 1986-87.
Lou Condo, Australia, 125th in 1986-87.
Habib Subah, Bahrain, 91st in 2005-06.
Paul Thornley, Canada, 97th in 1985-86.
Tom Finstad, Canada, 115th in 1998-99.
Wayne Sanderson, Canada, 128th in 1986-87.
Gao Yang, China, new to the tour this season.
Carlo Giagnacovo, England, 120th in 2003-04.
Matt Wilson, England, 96th in 1995-96.
Maurice Parkin, England, 91st in 1984-85.
Roger Garrett (who famously vanished before a match with Dave Harold), England, 85th in 1994-95.
Stephen Croft, England, 122nd in 2003-04.
Derek Mienie, South Africa, 95th in 1984-85.
Matthew Farrant, Wales, 124th in 2002-03.

I've certainly played against some of those players from the early 90's, but could only estimate their ages.


Gao Yang was born on 5th September 2004, so he just turns 16 before his first professional match. He comes from Hefei, Anhui province (like Niu Zhuang, who was on the tour 2017-19). He was coached by the remarkable Ju Reti, but more recently a CBSA graduate. The Chinese players who were 'snookered' by Covid-19 will return this week, and will undergo a 14-day quarantine before their preparations for 2020-21.

I was also doing some calculations about ages, worried as I am about the future of the game. I calculated the average ages over the last 10 years of the Crucible seeds, the Crucible qualifiers, and the Q School qualifiers. Unsurprisingly, the World Championship was the oldest on both counts, Q School was one of the oldest at 29.4 (last year's Q School was just ridiculous: 31.6 despite some extremely young players).

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

Thanks for the info about Gao Yang, LH. Hefei is a bit of a dump, so he should feel somewhat at home when heading to Barnsley for qualifiers.

Good to know the Chinese players are heading back too. Will help with my Think Pink selections, lol.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby lhpirnie

chengdufan wrote:Thanks for the info about Gao Yang, LH. Hefei is a bit of a dump, so he should feel somewhat at home when heading to Barnsley for qualifiers.

Good to know the Chinese players are heading back too. Will help with my Think Pink selections, lol.

Here's a reference. Quite a few of these kids will be on the tour in the next few years:
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Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

Thanks Mick! How do you know about Thornley? If you don't mind me asking.

The list of Chinese players is excellent to have, thank you. Disappointed in myself for not having found it in my research!
Good to see lots of Chongqing and Sichuan players on the list, though a bit disappointing there aren't any from Xinjiang. I wonder where the Chongqing youngsters practice.

Could be challenging for the BBC commentators if Luo Honghao plays Liu Hongyu (the top ranked player in this list) at The Crucible one day!

Re: Ages of some players

Postby lhpirnie

chengdufan wrote:Thanks Mick! How do you know about Thornley? If you don't mind me asking.

The list of Chinese players is excellent to have, thank you. Disappointed in myself for not having found it in my research!
Good to see lots of Chongqing and Sichuan players on the list, though a bit disappointing there aren't any from Xinjiang. I wonder where the Chongqing youngsters practice.

Could be challenging for the BBC commentators if Luo Honghao plays Liu Hongyu (the top ranked player in this list) at The Crucible one day!

The leading Xinjiang young player is of course Chang Bingyu, who isn't on the list because he's already a professional! Yes, it's mostly the CBSA Academy players at the top of this list, because possibly the west-China players don't get to play in the CBSA's junior events. What usually happens is they finally get into CBSA at age 15 or 16, then perhaps turn pro shortly afterwards (Zhang Jiankang, for example). I think Si Jiahui holds the record - he was finally accepted in the CBSA in January 2019, and got through Q School 5 months later! So he 'counts' as a CBSA Academy player.


One to watch is Bai Yulu. She might be the main rival to Nutcharat Wongharuthai in the women's game in years to come. Her social media is very interesting, with lots of information about the coaching methods (including psychological training) at the CBSA Academy.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

lhpirnie wrote:
chengdufan wrote:Thanks Mick! How do you know about Thornley? If you don't mind me asking.

The list of Chinese players is excellent to have, thank you. Disappointed in myself for not having found it in my research!
Good to see lots of Chongqing and Sichuan players on the list, though a bit disappointing there aren't any from Xinjiang. I wonder where the Chongqing youngsters practice.

Could be challenging for the BBC commentators if Luo Honghao plays Liu Hongyu (the top ranked player in this list) at The Crucible one day!

The leading Xinjiang young player is of course Chang Bingyu, who isn't on the list because he's already a professional! Yes, it's mostly the CBSA Academy players at the top of this list, because possibly the west-China players don't get to play in the CBSA's junior events. What usually happens is they finally get into CBSA at age 15 or 16, then perhaps turn pro shortly afterwards (Zhang Jiankang, for example). I think Si Jiahui holds the record - he was finally accepted in the CBSA in January 2019, and got through Q School 5 months later! So he 'counts' as a CBSA Academy player.


One to watch is Bai Yulu. She might be the main rival to Nutcharat Wongharuthai in the women's game in years to come. Her social media is very interesting, with lots of information about the coaching methods (including psychological training) at the CBSA Academy.

Bai Yulu is 7th on this list. Looks like she made the quarters at the Pengzhou event in December. She must be a good player, I look forward to watching her. Thanks for the tip.
As an aside, Pengzhou is not far from Chengdu and is famous for the longevity of its citizens.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

badtemperedcyril wrote:Maurice Parkin won the English Amateur in the early 50’s. I should be able to find out his age at least from one of the old Billiard Player magazines.

Thanks Cyril.
Maurice Parkin is from Sheffield I believe. I found articles about twins from Sheffield called Maurice and Norman Parkin, seems they were known as footballers but are from the same era, so the snooker player could be the same person. Would be interesting if so. The footballer passed away in 2015 aged 65.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

chengdufan wrote:
badtemperedcyril wrote:Maurice Parkin won the English Amateur in the early 50’s. I should be able to find out his age at least from one of the old Billiard Player magazines.

Thanks Cyril.
Maurice Parkin is from Sheffield I believe. I found articles about twins from Sheffield called Maurice and Norman Parkin, seems they were known as footballers but are from the same era, so the snooker player could be the same person. Would be interesting if so. The footballer passed away in 2015 aged 65.

Though if he won the English Amateur in the early 50s seems there were two Maurice Parkins from Sheffield. The footballer would have been too young

Re: Ages of some players

Postby badtemperedcyril

chengdufan wrote:
chengdufan wrote:
badtemperedcyril wrote:Maurice Parkin won the English Amateur in the early 50’s. I should be able to find out his age at least from one of the old Billiard Player magazines.

Thanks Cyril.
Maurice Parkin is from Sheffield I believe. I found articles about twins from Sheffield called Maurice and Norman Parkin, seems they were known as footballers but are from the same era, so the snooker player could be the same person. Would be interesting if so. The footballer passed away in 2015 aged 65.

Though if he won the English Amateur in the early 50s seems there were two Maurice Parkins from Sheffield. The footballer would have been too young

I’m sure I read he was in his late 20s when he won the Amateur title. which would make him at least 95 now. Let me check it out.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby badtemperedcyril

Found it! Maurice Parkin (Chapeltown, Sheffield) was 28-years old when he won the English Amateur title on 16th March, 1955.

Couple more...
Paul Thornley, 15/04/1944
Lou Condo, 21/08/1948

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

badtemperedcyril wrote:Found it! Maurice Parkin (Chapeltown, Sheffield) was 28-years old when he won the English Amateur title on 16th March, 1955.

Superb! Thank you

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

badtemperedcyril wrote:Just added 2 more (see above)

Thanks. I'm impressed you got Lou Condo. Couldn't find out much about him at all.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby mick745

chengdufan wrote:I've been looking for the ages of everyone who's finished a season ranked inside the top 128, or is a professional in the coming season, since the first recorded rankings on cuetracker from 1976-77.

I'm missing the ages of 14 such players (out of a total of 555, including those joining the tour this coming season).

If you can help with any of those listed below, I'd be grateful:

Greg Jenkins, Australia, highest finish 93rd in 1986-87.
Lou Condo, Australia, 125th in 1986-87.
Habib Subah, Bahrain, 91st in 2005-06.
Paul Thornley, Canada, 97th in 1985-86.
Tom Finstad, Canada, 115th in 1998-99.
Wayne Sanderson, Canada, 128th in 1986-87.
Gao Yang, China, new to the tour this season.
Carlo Giagnacovo, England, 120th in 2003-04.
Matt Wilson, England, 96th in 1995-96.
Maurice Parkin, England, 91st in 1984-85.
Roger Garrett (who famously vanished before a match with Dave Harold), England, 85th in 1994-95.
Stephen Croft, England, 122nd in 2003-04.
Derek Mienie, South Africa, 95th in 1984-85.
Matthew Farrant, Wales, 124th in 2002-03.


Greg Jenkins born 1962
Lou Condo 21.8.48
Tom Finstad born 1955
Carlo Giagnacovo 22.1.82
Matt Wilson born 1983 (i am not sure this is correct, source page 266 of the complete international directory of snooker players John Kobylecky. As he played in the 1994 wsc it is unlikely he competed at the age of 11).

Maurice Parkin born 1926
Roger Garrett born 1966
Stephen Croft 17.2.82
Derek Mienie born 1941

Matt Farrant born 1973

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

mick745 wrote:
chengdufan wrote:I've been looking for the ages of everyone who's finished a season ranked inside the top 128, or is a professional in the coming season, since the first recorded rankings on cuetracker from 1976-77.

I'm missing the ages of 14 such players (out of a total of 555, including those joining the tour this coming season).

If you can help with any of those listed below, I'd be grateful:

Greg Jenkins, Australia, highest finish 93rd in 1986-87.
Lou Condo, Australia, 125th in 1986-87.
Habib Subah, Bahrain, 91st in 2005-06.
Paul Thornley, Canada, 97th in 1985-86.
Tom Finstad, Canada, 115th in 1998-99.
Wayne Sanderson, Canada, 128th in 1986-87.
Gao Yang, China, new to the tour this season.
Carlo Giagnacovo, England, 120th in 2003-04.
Matt Wilson, England, 96th in 1995-96.
Maurice Parkin, England, 91st in 1984-85.
Roger Garrett (who famously vanished before a match with Dave Harold), England, 85th in 1994-95.
Stephen Croft, England, 122nd in 2003-04.
Derek Mienie, South Africa, 95th in 1984-85.
Matthew Farrant, Wales, 124th in 2002-03.


Greg Jenkins born 1962
Lou Condo 21.8.48
Tom Finstad born 1955
Carlo Giagnacovo 22.1.82
Matt Wilson born 1983 (i am not sure this is correct, source page 266 of the complete international directory of snooker players John Kobylecky. As he played in the 1994 wsc it is unlikely he competed at the age of 11).

Maurice Parkin born 1926
Roger Garrett born 1966
Stephen Croft 17.2.82
Derek Mienie born 1941

Matt Farrant born 1973

You're a superstar!

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

I honestly thought this was a long shot, but full credit to the island and its inhabitants. On this occasion LHP, BT Cyril, and Mick.

Only 3 remaining then:
Habib Subah - plenty of articles about him online, but I can't find anything referencing his age.
Wayne Sanderson - played in the Canadian Professional Championship in the 80s
Matt Wilson (I agree can't be 1983). I'll keep looking.

Re: Ages of some players

Postby chengdufan

Seems there have been 2 snooker players named Matt Wilson. Not that surprising given how common the name is, I suppose.
The 1983 born player has been active recently and has had good amateur results. There's one article about him scoring 4 consecutive centuries in a league match, which is impressive. He hasn't been a pro though, and hasn't entered q school either, perhaps surprisingly.

The one we're after represented England in the 1992 World Amateur Championships in Malta.
He turned pro in 93 when anyone could, and won a fair amount of early round matches. He peaked in 95-96, reaching the quarter finals of the 1995 Benson & Hedges Championship, and losing 9-5 to Jimmy White in the last 64 of the 1995 UK Championship.
He lost 10-9 to Stuart Bingham in qualifying for the 1997 World Championship and his form seemed to tail off a lot after that.