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Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby SnookerFan » 04 Dec 2018 Read

Dan-cat wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:Predicted rankings for the new tour:

1. Ronnie O'Sullivan
2. Cao Yupeng
3. Stephen Hendry
4. Yu DeLu


Looking forward to it already.


Hendry aint coming 3rd!!


Hendry aint entering.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby snooker_loopy » 04 Dec 2018 Read

I think there could be a solution although I doubt Barry Hearn would consider it.

Split the sport into two divisions.

Reduce the amount of pro players to 100.

Division 1 has the top 50 players.

Division 2 is players ranked 50 - 100.

Division 1 has less tournaments a year - around 12. Two tournaments would be top 16 only, the rest open to all top 50 players. The tournaments would have more prize money, have a few weeks gap so player can prepare. They'd be in high quality venues and many with tv coverage.

Division 2 has more tournaments a year but less prize money per event. They would not have much or any tv coverage and the venues would not be quite as high as those in division one.

The ranking system would be based on matches won, not based on prize money. Rankings updated at the end of each season.

At the end of each season the top five ranked players in division two are promoted to division one. The five lowest ranked players in division one are relegated to division two.

The World Championship would be the only tournament eligible to players from division two. This means there's a chance for some shock wins. A lower ranked player has a chance to beat top ranked player and even go on and win the title.

A two-tier model of snooker might be a decent compromise. Ronnie will have more time to prepare for events, they'd be less events per year, and top prize money. The lower ranked players would have many events per year so they have a chance to rise up the rankings.

The two-tier model may need some tweaking as it goes along but I feel it has genuine potential. Football has used a similar format and it's worked fine.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby carayip » 04 Dec 2018 Read

Re snooker_loopy: The problem for 2 divisions in snooker is that there would be next to none prize money available for the 2nd division as there would be little interest from audience for that and thus no sponsors at all. Actually you can regard the current challenger tour as the 2nd division and see how little interest it generates and how little money players earn from that.
Divisions work for football because it’s too big of a sport that even the lower division teams are able to survive. Snooker never is and will never be as big as football.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby SnookerFan » 04 Dec 2018 Read

carayip wrote:Re snooker_loopy: The problem for 2 divisions in snooker is that there would be next to none prize money available for the 2nd division as there would be little interest from audience for that and thus no sponsors at all. Actually you can regard the current challenger tour as the 2nd division and see how little interest it generates and how little money players earn from that.
Divisions work for football because it’s too big of a sport that even the lower division teams are able to survive. Snooker never is and will never be as big as football.


This.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Wildey » 04 Dec 2018 Read

carayip wrote:Re snooker_loopy: The problem for 2 divisions in snooker is that there would be next to none prize money available for the 2nd division as there would be little interest from audience for that and thus no sponsors at all. Actually you can regard the current challenger tour as the 2nd division and see how little interest it generates and how little money players earn from that.
Divisions work for football because it’s too big of a sport that even the lower division teams are able to survive. Snooker never is and will never be as big as football.

Ronnie wouldn't care.

He says the lower rank players are struggling to survive playing Snooker at the moment the reality is he doesn't want them playing Snooker he wants a members club they had in the 20s and 30s where Joe Davis decided who would be pros Ronnie wants to have that power.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Johnny Bravo » 04 Dec 2018 Read

Wildey wrote:
carayip wrote:Re snooker_loopy: The problem for 2 divisions in snooker is that there would be next to none prize money available for the 2nd division as there would be little interest from audience for that and thus no sponsors at all. Actually you can regard the current challenger tour as the 2nd division and see how little interest it generates and how little money players earn from that.
Divisions work for football because it’s too big of a sport that even the lower division teams are able to survive. Snooker never is and will never be as big as football.

Ronnie wouldn't care.

He says the lower rank players are struggling to survive playing Snooker at the moment the reality is he doesn't want them playing Snooker he wants a members club they had in the 20s and 30s where Joe Davis decided who would be pros Ronnie wants to have that power.


I wouldn't go that far. IMO Ronnie simply wants top players to have more benefits.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Wildey » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Wildey wrote:
carayip wrote:Re snooker_loopy: The problem for 2 divisions in snooker is that there would be next to none prize money available for the 2nd division as there would be little interest from audience for that and thus no sponsors at all. Actually you can regard the current challenger tour as the 2nd division and see how little interest it generates and how little money players earn from that.
Divisions work for football because it’s too big of a sport that even the lower division teams are able to survive. Snooker never is and will never be as big as football.

Ronnie wouldn't care.

He says the lower rank players are struggling to survive playing Snooker at the moment the reality is he doesn't want them playing Snooker he wants a members club they had in the 20s and 30s where Joe Davis decided who would be pros Ronnie wants to have that power.


I wouldn't go that far. IMO Ronnie simply wants top players to have more benefits.

They already has the bonus of being top players and winning more money than others

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Badsnookerplayer » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Somebody - think it was Carayip - made the point that ROS is worried that he ain't gonna get in some of the invitationals. Make no mistake, any changes he is proposing are for the benefit of one top player and one only - himself.

If he wins the UK he will probably qualify and shut the buck up and for that reason only I pray he wins the bucking thing.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Wildey » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Somebody - think it was Carayip - made the point that ROS is worried that he ain't gonna get in some of the invitationals. Make no mistake, any changes he is proposing are for the benefit of one top player and one only - himself.

If he wins the UK he will probably qualify and shut the buck up and for that reason only I pray he wins the bucking thing.

yea the Tour Championship has changed everything.


with only top 8 going in to that its dog eat dog and Ronnie doesent want to be in that Dog Fight

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Andre147 » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Plain and simple: by picking and choosing he limits his chances of getting to invitionals, therefore there's more pressure on him to win a ranking event or latter stages of most.

That's a selfish attitute, even if some of his ideas do look genuine.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Holden Chinaski » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Somebody - think it was Carayip - made the point that ROS is worried that he ain't gonna get in some of the invitationals. Make no mistake, any changes he is proposing are for the benefit of one top player and one only - himself.

If he wins the UK he will probably qualify and shut the buck up and for that reason only I pray he wins the bucking thing.

You don't have to listen to him, you know. I for one am not really paying attention to what he's saying at all. I don't get why everybody is suddenly making a big deal out of it. Just ignore it. The more attention Ronnie gets, the more he'll keep winding people up.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby gallantrabbit » 05 Dec 2018 Read

O'sullivan clearly doesn't like authority and just wants to stamp on Hearn. Makes himself look a little silly though imo.
If he goes through the proper channels, ie the players commission I would respect his views. If he just wants to tweet AND mute Hearn I don't.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Dan-cat » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Andre147 wrote:Plain and simple: by picking and choosing he limits his chances of getting to invitionals, therefore there's more pressure on him to win a ranking event or latter stages of most.

That's a selfish attitute, even if some of his ideas do look genuine.


It's inarguable that it would be better for the sport and Hearn if he gets into those invitationals.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Wildey » 05 Dec 2018 Read

You could argue it would be better if he had to play in everything to get in to them

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Dan-cat » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Wildey wrote:You could argue it would be better if he had to play in everything to get in to them


You could, but he won't, so it's a moot point. Hearn would be shooting himself in the foot. Would you do the same to Federer? The comparisons with tennis here are applicable.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Ash147 » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Hearn would love for Ronnie to play in those invitationals, and Ronnie knows that. The question is will Hearn's ego get in the way of admitting it, or will his love of money prevail?

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Wildey » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Yea but he would be shooting himself in the foot if he gave ronnie what he wants. Reality is no tour player will go with ronnie on this the likes of Trump has said as much so If Ronnie wants to play its Hearns way or no way.

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Dan-cat » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Ash147 wrote:Hearn would love for Ronnie to play in those invitationals, and Ronnie knows that. The question is will Hearn's ego get in the way of admitting it, or will his love of money prevail?


Haha well put...

...so would ITV / BBC, and they really call the shots...

It's sophie's choice for Hearn!

Re: ROS proposes breakaway tour

Postby Wildey » 05 Dec 2018 Read

Dan-cat wrote:
Ash147 wrote:Hearn would love for Ronnie to play in those invitationals, and Ronnie knows that. The question is will Hearn's ego get in the way of admitting it, or will his love of money prevail?


Haha well put...

...so would ITV / BBC, and they really call the shots...

It's sophie's choice for Hearn!

Seriously any sport that gives way to a 40 year old and ignores what other players wants are screwed. So it would have to go to a vote anyway.
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