Re: Virgo and Taylor last World Champs?
SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
And as a pundit, not a commentator.
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SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
badtemperedcyril wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
Did she actually commentate? I can only recall her in the studio.
Prop wrote:badtemperedcyril wrote:In fairness to Yates, his knowledge of his subject is second to none. Maybe if he could plug himself into one of those voice enhancing devices then he might become almost tolerable.
Thing is, when he’s not in comms (on a podcast for example) he doesn’t try so hard to create those ridiculous puns, or use such hammy overemphasis. He’s quite tolerable. I used to really hate listening to him, but for whatever reason I don’t find him that nauseating these days. Stockholm Syndrome maybe
Raziel wrote:A chap in my club, who knows one of the lower ranked professionals, told me that he heard she was having elocution lessions. That seems to make sense, because she does have a strong accent.
LDS wrote:Prop wrote:badtemperedcyril wrote:In fairness to Yates, his knowledge of his subject is second to none. Maybe if he could plug himself into one of those voice enhancing devices then he might become almost tolerable.
Thing is, when he’s not in comms (on a podcast for example) he doesn’t try so hard to create those ridiculous puns, or use such hammy overemphasis. He’s quite tolerable. I used to really hate listening to him, but for whatever reason I don’t find him that nauseating these days. Stockholm Syndrome maybe
If I'm confusing him with Studd I apologise, but I think it was Yates they chose to represent British commentary during the recent US Pool Open where Judd had a little run.
And his commentary really was so jarring compared to the American guys. The Americans all sounded like normal commentators, chattering away in their easy listening style & then Yates would drop in randomly with some asinine weirdness like "His nickname isn't The Gardener, but it should be with pots like that!" and the rest of comms goes silent for 5 seconds while they try and think of a human response. Most of the time they don't bother and just change the subject, and you can often hear the "What?" in their voices as they try to progress the comms further.
I mean, it's just, you know, like a computer AI randomly drawing from a pool of pre-prepared one-liners that don't necessarily exactly fit the flow of the conversation. Like as if you were playing a snooker video game.
What do they call it when a CGI face tries to interact with a real human face in films? The Uncanny Valley? But with Yates it's an uncanny valley of dialogue?
SnookerFan wrote:Raziel wrote:Well, John Virgo and Dennis Taylor are both white males. So, according to CRT (Critical Race Theory) they are both THE DEVIL.
So, for the diversity quotas, they will definitely be replaced by at least one woman (Reanne Evans).
But now they are in trouble, because I don't know of any other female/black/african/indian/muslim etc potential replacements.
Maybe they will train up Rory McLeod or one of the Indian ex-professionals.
God forbid that they replace John or Dennis with another EVIL WHITE MALE.
So you think that they're being fired for being caucasian and male, and being replaced Reanne Evans who already does commentary and punditry? Makes sense....
It could just be that neither of them know anything about the modern game, as stated.
Iranu wrote:Raziel wrote:A chap in my club, who knows one of the lower ranked professionals, told me that he heard she was having elocution lessions. That seems to make sense, because she does have a strong accent.
I hope that’s not true. It just perpetuates the idea that Brummie and Black Country accents mean you’re stupid. It’s sad.
Alan McManus has a very strong accent too, I doubt he’s had elocution lessons.
Raziel wrote:SnookerFan wrote:Raziel wrote:Well, John Virgo and Dennis Taylor are both white males. So, according to CRT (Critical Race Theory) they are both THE DEVIL.
So, for the diversity quotas, they will definitely be replaced by at least one woman (Reanne Evans).
But now they are in trouble, because I don't know of any other female/black/african/indian/muslim etc potential replacements.
Maybe they will train up Rory McLeod or one of the Indian ex-professionals.
God forbid that they replace John or Dennis with another EVIL WHITE MALE.
So you think that they're being fired for being caucasian and male, and being replaced Reanne Evans who already does commentary and punditry? Makes sense....
It could just be that neither of them know anything about the modern game, as stated.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean when you say that neither of them know anything about the modern game.
What exactly (and I mean EXACTLY) is it that they don't know?
And whatever it is that they don't know, does it even matter? Seeing as most people who watch BBC snooker are 'casual' viewers, who hardly know one end of a cue from the other.
After all, it's just about ENTERTAINMENT in the end, isn't it?.
LDS wrote:Prop wrote:badtemperedcyril wrote:In fairness to Yates, his knowledge of his subject is second to none. Maybe if he could plug himself into one of those voice enhancing devices then he might become almost tolerable.
Thing is, when he’s not in comms (on a podcast for example) he doesn’t try so hard to create those ridiculous puns, or use such hammy overemphasis. He’s quite tolerable. I used to really hate listening to him, but for whatever reason I don’t find him that nauseating these days. Stockholm Syndrome maybe
If I'm confusing him with Studd I apologise, but I think it was Yates they chose to represent British commentary during the recent US Pool Open where Judd had a little run.
And his commentary really was so jarring compared to the American guys. The Americans all sounded like normal commentators, chattering away in their easy listening style & then Yates would drop in randomly with some asinine weirdness like "His nickname isn't The Gardener, but it should be with pots like that!" and the rest of comms goes silent for 5 seconds while they try and think of a human response. Most of the time they don't bother and just change the subject, and you can often hear the "What?" in their voices as they try to progress the comms further.
I mean, it's just, you know, like a computer AI randomly drawing from a pool of pre-prepared one-liners that don't necessarily exactly fit the flow of the conversation. Like as if you were playing a snooker video game.
What do they call it when a CGI face tries to interact with a real human face in films? The Uncanny Valley? But with Yates it's an uncanny valley of dialogue?
Raziel wrote:SnookerFan wrote:Raziel wrote:Well, John Virgo and Dennis Taylor are both white males. So, according to CRT (Critical Race Theory) they are both THE DEVIL.
So, for the diversity quotas, they will definitely be replaced by at least one woman (Reanne Evans).
But now they are in trouble, because I don't know of any other female/black/african/indian/muslim etc potential replacements.
Maybe they will train up Rory McLeod or one of the Indian ex-professionals.
God forbid that they replace John or Dennis with another EVIL WHITE MALE.
So you think that they're being fired for being caucasian and male, and being replaced Reanne Evans who already does commentary and punditry? Makes sense....
It could just be that neither of them know anything about the modern game, as stated.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean when you say that neither of them know anything about the modern game.
What exactly (and I mean EXACTLY) is it that they don't know?
And whatever it is that they don't know, does it even matter? Seeing as most people who watch BBC snooker are 'casual' viewers, who hardly know one end of a cue from the other.
After all, it's just about ENTERTAINMENT in the end, isn't it?.
mick745 wrote:It is precisely the casual viewer who would want to know a bit of background to the players they are watching, especially the lesser known players in the early rounds. How old are they, where are they from, how long they been on tour, what was their amateur career like, how did they qualify and who did they beat in qualifying, have they ever played or beaten their opponent before etc?
All basic stuff really.
Iranu wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
And as a pundit, not a commentator.
badtemperedcyril wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
Did she actually commentate? I can only recall her in the studio.
Iranu wrote:Raziel wrote:A chap in my club, who knows one of the lower ranked professionals, told me that he heard she was having elocution lessions. That seems to make sense, because she does have a strong accent.
I hope that’s not true. It just perpetuates the idea that Brummie and Black Country accents mean you’re stupid. It’s sad.
Alan McManus has a very strong accent too, I doubt he’s had elocution lessons.
Prop wrote:I’ve been watching Dennis on Richard Osman’s House of Games on iPlayer (thanks for the heads-up, SF). He seemed even more out of touch with the world as a whole in that situation than he does in snooker commentary, which is his comfort spot.
Watching that, it’s easy to imagine how it might be difficult working with him, even putting him in a position where he’s doing what he does best. He really does seem stuck in another time.
I do like Dennis. He has done a great job over the years, but more and more I find myself asking the question of whether he’s capable of bringing as much to the game as he used to. To quote Twitter bore Snookerbacker, “He’s like that comfy old pair of socks you refuse to throw away”.
I think I’ll miss him more than Judd Trump will miss him - and no doubt Judd’s call for a shakeup of snooker was a direct criticism of the likes of DT and a decisive nail in the coffin - but this had to happen eventually. Dennis couldn’t go on forever, especially if he wasn’t willing or capable of staying in touch with the modern game.
I do genuinely believe Virgo still has plenty to offer the game. I know that sounds like I’m contradicting myself, because Virgo said himself in no uncertain terms that he doesn’t keep up with the modern game or new players, and has no intention of doing so. But he has that magical quality of creating a buzz, injecting drama into moments where plenty of his fellow commentators don’t, or can’t. He makes snooker a passionate experience for the audience, and the fans at home, rather than simply annotating a match in front of him. At least he has that over Dennis.
But is that enough, in light of the fact that he won’t ever have any significant knowledge of young players, overseas players, or the intricacies of tour survival way down the rankings? The BBC at least, think not.
SnookerFan wrote:Iranu wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
And as a pundit, not a commentator.badtemperedcyril wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
Did she actually commentate? I can only recall her in the studio.
She definitely has commentated on the BBC.
More so on Eurosport, but the BBC have used her on the odd occasion.
lhpirnie wrote:Actually that stuff is easy to google or find on cuetracker. What I expect from commentators is knowledge like where he plays, who is his coach, who his practice partners are, what are his strengths and weaknesses as a player. I'd hope that the commentators have some idea of how good a player is in practice, so they can assure us that someone playing below par (e.g. a Crucible debut) is actually a better player than he appears. This they can find out by chatting to other players.
I don't get the impression that some of the commentators take the trouble to do that.
Iranu wrote:SnookerFan wrote:Iranu wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
And as a pundit, not a commentator.badtemperedcyril wrote:SnookerFan wrote:But they already use Reanne.
Did she actually commentate? I can only recall her in the studio.
She definitely has commentated on the BBC.
More so on Eurosport, but the BBC have used her on the odd occasion.
Huh? I don’t think she’s commentated on the Beeb.
Raziel wrote:I have been playing snooker for 40+ years at probably an above average level. I once won a pro-am in Plymouth, beating Neil Foulds in the quarter final. I never won any other pro-ams, but I was definitely a half-decent player. And it still makes me smile when John Virgo says 'Where's the cue ball going?'
The_Abbott wrote:Taylor and Virgo to get the final session confirmed then so they can have an emotional goodbye
"gonna miss this place JV, been coming here every year since 1970. And I still remember Patsy Fagan"
"Wheres the DDK going Dennis?"
Minimum Break wrote:Has the BBC confirmed or announced officially that this year's World Championship will be the farewell for Virgo and Taylor?